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[14:20:38] gday lukas [14:20:47] how's the Lab oming along? [14:20:51] *coming [14:25:38] Caly: it's in a little suspension due to different issues, meanwhile we focused on growing, study plants and systems [14:30:40] great, I'm studying foraging here at evenings. [14:31:17] I soon have enough memorized plants that i should be able to find around here, to take a hike and fill the fridge [14:31:24] running low on food and money here. [14:31:48] understood, tons of plants can be for sure used [14:34:57] Caly: i don't know any local/polish people who would have know how about wide area of human activities + get what are free technologies and free culture and have experience with it + have the time + understood science + know how to work together - so the work is limited, i would love to get along with people with passion who love to create and cooperate, but maybe that approach isn't good, but well, it's [14:34:59] something i'm looking for [14:36:37] yeah [14:36:44] I know EXACTLY what you mean. [14:37:20] there's a few people here with the right basic mindset, but it will take years to inform them about reality and possibilities. [14:38:03] but I'm writing on a presentation here that I need to translate and illustrate later. [14:38:11] (slideshow style) [14:38:35] nice :) [14:40:41] Caly: have been as well running an "experiment": doing most of stuff with tools powered just by human body, to get sensation how it could be before the oil, discovered some amazing old tools who increase extremely efficiency [14:40:55] which* [14:42:22] lukas: it will be useful after the oil :) [14:42:36] yeah, thought about it too ;) [14:42:53] i think that simple tools with an efficient design can easily compete with some used power tools [14:43:11] lukas: I can WARMLY reccomend you download the Woodwrights show, he works only with hand poweered machines and tools, and teaches amazing forgotten skills in woodworking. [14:43:26] And ofc, the techniques can easily be adapted for any other solid material [14:43:37] thanks :) [14:44:09] Caly: this : http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/ ? [14:44:10] URL Title: Woodwright's Shop with Roy UnderHill | PBS [14:44:24] http://www.pbs.org/woodwrightsshop/ [14:44:26] URL Title: Woodwright's Shop with Roy UnderHill | PBS [14:44:28] haha, yep [14:45:12] hi taziden!!! :D [14:45:16] lukas: go to watch episode online, open it's source and find the .flv link, paste it as a url and it will download right away. [14:45:32] and yeah, hi taziden [14:45:49] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Woodwright%27s_Shop [14:45:50] URL Title: The Woodwright's Shop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [14:46:08] ok, i will do that on different connection, not really able here to download "larger" portion of data [14:46:20] "It is one of the longest running "how to" shows on PBS, with thirty-two 13-episode seasons filmed. Since its debut in 1979, the show has aired over 400 episodes." [14:46:46] o_O !!! [14:47:18] wow, and i never heard about it before... [14:48:19] me neither, somehow I just stumbled upon it looking for foot powered wood lathe designs. [14:48:24] "The Woodwright's Shop teaches the art of traditional woodworking, using hand tools and human-powered machines. Viewers learn how to make furniture, toys and other useful objects out of wood. Viewers also learn how to lay out wood projects and which tools to use for specific purposes. The show also teaches how to use tools properly." [14:49:38] Damn I miss my woodworking tools :/ [14:49:47] :( [14:51:25] Caly: i think tools and knowledge how to use them, are quite close to something what one could call a real value, they definitely have to ability to improve life [14:52:01] lukas: very well said! [14:52:32] the* ability [14:53:27] That is exactly my view also, same with survivalism. Foraging, tracking, natural navigation, making fire, sanitize water and so on. [14:55:44] Caly: http://img2.sprzedajemy.pl/540x405_opielacz-869217.jpg -- this is one of the tools i used lately - with this and proper layout in garden (enough space between plants in rows) one can weed few acres garden probably within one day, hopefully in future with raised beds we can get rid of weeding completely (takes an awful amount of time when you have to do it by hand) - maybe it can be useful for you too, [14:55:46] it's amazing that people who have decades of experience in gardens never even heard about it, i learned about it from farmers and decided to give it a try [14:57:01] here different types: http://images.google.com/search?tbm=isch&hl=en&source=hp&q=opielacz&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=1 [14:57:02] URL Title: opielacz - Google Search [14:58:31] just another forgotten technique [14:58:58] lukas: I'm also very inteagued by not using external power at all. [14:59:12] :D [14:59:40] each of us have 400W build in, right? :D [15:06:08] Caly: http://img.polskieszlaki.pl/zdjecia/planer_galeria2/10390_t_1246285135.jpg -- this i used to prepare mulch and then materials for first aerophilic compost pile, in few hours was able to cut over 1m³ of straw and weeds/herbs [15:10:17] 1m³ maybe doesn't sound impressive, but it certainly look big when you have it in front of you :) (1m³ was the output and not the input) [15:12:40] i bet when we get that connected with bike, and power with legs (just in case) instead of arms, the efficiency can be improved, i plan to attach to it a motor but need to get all the parts to do it - mulch and compost are extremely relevant in permaculture gardens [15:15:49] taziden: i was without net for a couple of days, let me ask you before i will check on the net... did they vote already? [15:24:02] no [15:24:05] if anybody else is interested, a timeline is here (just scroll a little bit): http://www.laquadrature.net/en/ACTA [15:24:06] URL Title: ACTA | La Quadrature du Net [15:24:15] vote in commissions are planned tomorrow [15:24:25] (LIBE/JURI/ITRE) [15:25:38] thx [15:36:10] I have stopped caring about moronic government actions, I just focus on making the fuckers obsolete asap instead. [15:41:02] in terminal, how do i find the path to a netork drive i have plugged into my router here? [15:43:11] lukas: aaaaah, now I see how that mulcher works! [15:43:23] looks awesome [17:42:11] *** Quits: Fat64 (webchat@RBOSE-48t8r7.srv.volvo.com) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [18:04:54] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xm0HNbvtgQ [18:04:55] You4Tube 2[Title] RAP NEWS 13: A News Hope 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 0:06:26 2[Views] 301 2[Rating] 4.96 2[Uploaded] 2012-05-30 2[Description] http://www.thejuicemedia.com Juice Rap News: Episode XIII - A NEWS HOPE. It is a time of corporate war; deprived of a reliable media the people of Planet Earth are kept misinformed and in a state of perpetual conflict. Is an honest Fourth Estate the only Force than can restore peace and ba [18:10:22] http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2012/05/24/linux-mint-13/ [18:10:24] URL Title: Linux Mint 13 MATE | Desktop Linux Reviews [18:10:37] yeah, I think I'll go with MATE for my upgrade soon =P [18:10:41] GNOME2 FTW ! ! [19:06:00] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [20:10:16] http://etherkiller.org/ [20:10:17] URL Title: etherkiller.org [20:10:17] x [20:10:22] xD [21:03:52] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2VHf5vpBy8 [21:03:53] You4Tube 2[Title] F2C2012: Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity" 2[Category] News 2[Duration] 1:27:46 2[Views] 4507 2[Rating] 4.95 2[Uploaded] 2012-05-23 2[Description] Eben Moglen keynote - "Innovation under Austerity" at F2C:Freedom to Connect 2012, Washington DC on May 22 2012. Discussants: Doc Searls. Isaac Wilder Audio: http://bit.ly/f2cmoglenaudio http://freedom-to-connect.net/ [21:04:08] making the web easy-to-write [21:15:18] Caly: LOOL [21:19:39] Kebap23_: thanx! youtube-dl raight away! xD [21:19:55] lukas: Mint 13 MATE? [21:20:03] yeah, it's interesting [21:25:28] Caly: i meant the etherkiller :P [21:26:03] lukas: aaaahahaha, yaya, ofc! xD [21:26:36] lukas: who will be the first to try that with optics (as suggested in the assembly instructions) [21:40:17] Kebap23_: back at ya! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-P2Jaeg0aQ [21:40:18] You4Tube 2[Title] Freedom, Out of the Box! - Bdale Garbee 2[Category] Tech 2[Duration] 0:56:11 2[Views] 1048 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2012-01-20 2[Description] This presentation is a status update on the development of "FreedomBox", which is a project supported by the FreedomBox Foundation founded by Eben Moglen. FreedomBox is a personal server running a free software operating system and free applications, designed to create and [22:08:08] *** Quits: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [22:19:48] gnudamnit, it's going to be here 0°C at night in June! the weather is really crazy and extreme... no rain since 3 weeks for example O_o [22:34:53] wow... I have 26c+ here inside with the windows wide open [22:43:14] Caly: we had over 30°C since over a 1.5 months, with a short period of colder nights 4 weeks ago [22:45:31] yeah, you got heat early, but yeah, it's 26 here at night, so you can imagine ;) [22:51:21] http://www.secularstudents.org/sites/default/files/df20021001.jpg [23:41:26] http://youtube.com/watch?v=yScINihX_z8 -- a video with Holzer's permaculture forest you may have not seen so far [23:41:27] You4Tube 2[Title] The Agro Rebel 2[Category] Education 2[Duration] 0:43:32 2[Views] 416 2[Rating] 5.00 2[Uploaded] 2012-03-13 2[Description] The Austrian farmer and forester practices "permaculture" a different kind of farming on his mountain property. With this certain form of organic-agriculture, he is very convincing and successfully. Contrary to all conventional rules and despite annual average temperatures of 4.5°C and an alti