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[00:02:00] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> hello :)
[00:16:41] <scrdcow> YO
[00:17:53] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> how things scrdcow
[00:25:44] <scrdcow> Darren: all well
[00:25:52] <scrdcow> sitting in my chair farting
[00:27:33] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> cool...ha... ha...........ha
[00:37:03] * DNS777 holds his nose and will still not open windows
[00:38:34] <scrdcow> hehe
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[00:43:39] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> anyone got any good examples of groups that use open governance structures??
[00:53:00] <scrdcow> nope sorry
[00:53:26] <scrdcow> darren: is it a specific structure or just any structure that is transparent?
[00:57:39] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> ... Its a kind of 'open' question :)
[01:00:03] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> I was thinking governance structures where people can join in without any real barriers
[01:00:42] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> eg. The occupy/m15 working groups
[01:00:58] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> *15M
[01:02:10] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> any open software projects?? Preferably groups that are achieving things
[01:05:28] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> I guess bettermeans.com ???
[01:05:53] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Not sure if the way the software project is run....
[01:06:16] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Is the way their software facilitates....
[01:11:24] <scrdcow> Darren: ok, I bet there are many. but I don't think most of them let you actually govern on higher levels.
[01:12:19] <scrdcow> Darren: debian has a pretty flat structure for DDs anyways, but not everyone can just step in and do stuff thou.
[01:12:53] <scrdcow> Darren: wikipedia is pretty open, atleast to edit and govern specific articles, but you can't just come in and become admin. I guess that is pretty rare.
[01:13:17] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> DDs?
[01:13:46] <scrdcow> Darren: debian developer
[01:13:51] <scrdcow> have to check out bettermeans.
[01:14:35] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Admins have power over others
[01:14:45] <scrdcow> Darren: debian has a debian leader, who has no specific power, and you have the technical commitee to decide when stuff get stuck. but other than that it's pretty flat and you can organize the way you want to.
[01:15:02] <scrdcow> Darren: yes, and most project has some kind of admin.
[01:15:22] <scrdcow> Darren: not everyone has access to software repositories etc.
[01:15:27] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> collective admin powers??
[01:15:39] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> anywhere?
[01:15:54] <scrdcow> Darren: it's split up but I don't think anyway can just step in and do whatever. I don't know of any such project anyways.
[01:16:02] <scrdcow> anyone*
[01:16:20] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Group has to authorise use of powers?
[01:16:28] <scrdcow> Darren: but I bet many projects are pretty open and you can, once you seem trustworthy gain more trust and gain other status.
[01:16:54] <scrdcow> Darren: not sure how that is done usually, I bet it varies alot.
[01:17:26] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> I dont really understand how soft dev works
[01:17:27] <scrdcow> Darren: would be nice to use this http://web.monkeysphere.info/
[01:17:43] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> what power have admins,
[01:17:59] <scrdcow> Darren: and build on that so if you have shown to be trustworthy before on other projects etc. you are allowed in more easily.
[01:18:17] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Whats in the repository??? The real program? + prev versions?
[01:18:39] <scrdcow> Darren: ah ok.. well, nowadays people often use a code versioning system like subversion or git. and they code and upload stuff to that.
[01:18:45] <scrdcow> Darren: the code, or packages etc
[01:19:32] <scrdcow> Darren: the system keeps track of everything. but I bet that you just can't step in and upload stuff. but i'm not sure how open projects are really.
[01:19:59] <scrdcow> Darren: since you can always revert, you can more easily allow people to edit.
[01:20:27] <scrdcow> Darren: but still I guess someone is the admin over the registration on the site etc, or hosting the server etc.
[01:20:27] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> like wikipedia...
[01:20:32] <scrdcow> yes
[01:20:40] <scrdcow> but wp still has admins with some specific powers
[01:20:46] <scrdcow> and you have jimbo ofcourse ;-)
[01:20:54] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> yeah
[01:21:02] <scrdcow> brb
[01:21:31] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> But I guess these powers could be given to the whole group
[01:21:33] <scrdcow> i'm not that knowledgeable about this issue, but I bet it would be hard to find a project that runs completly flat.
[01:21:40] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Collective decision making
[01:21:48] <scrdcow> Darren: sure, but wars could evolve.
[01:21:53] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Some clever e-democracy stuff
[01:21:59] <scrdcow> Darren: ah you mean like that, sure.
[01:22:10] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Ive got a big gun
[01:22:23] <scrdcow> ohnoes!! don't shoot me!
[01:22:35] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> :)
[01:23:00] <scrdcow> why did you say that?
[01:23:20] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> wars could evolve....
[01:23:25] <scrdcow> ah
[01:23:32] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Sorry typing on smart phone
[01:23:37] <scrdcow> hehe
[01:23:39] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Bit behind you
[01:24:02] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> And bad sense of humour
[01:24:10] * scrdcow looks forward to the era after smartphones
[01:24:41] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> What will it be?
[01:24:59] <scrdcow> not sure. but still looks forward to it.
[01:25:05] <scrdcow> since I don't like smartphones
[01:25:13] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> ;)
[01:25:25] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Data input is the bitch
[01:25:27] <scrdcow> how it changes people and also how people buy more crap
[01:25:52] <scrdcow> and I don't believe in 24/7 connectivity
[01:26:00] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> yeah is that
[01:26:01] <scrdcow> until we have learnt how to handle it
[01:26:27] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> Yeah I bad wiv getting stuk to the stream
[01:26:35] <scrdcow> wiv?
[01:26:44] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> With
[01:26:53] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> At
[01:26:59] <scrdcow> but I don't mean that smartphones aren't usefull and all that
[01:28:33] <nobody> 05<10Darren---@FREENODE05> mine 3 years old
[01:28:39] <scrdcow> it's just, I dunno. I sort of liked it how it was before everyone was online all the time, and when more people chatted, like this. instead of microblogging/social networking which usually boils down to a "follow me" paradigm/relationship instead of a mutual chat relationship.
[01:29:26] <scrdcow> it's like talking with someone on the phone... if the other person suddenly stops talking... you wonder, what happened?
[01:29:47] <scrdcow> but with the "follow me" style, you just push out, push out...
[01:30:05] <scrdcow> and then you hope people are listening and that they reply.
[01:30:43] <scrdcow> and it's so easy to not reply, or not get into nice randomness chat sessions that actually lead to things.
[01:30:46] <scrdcow> imo
[01:31:01] <scrdcow> instead you have to have that irl. the meaningful chats.
[01:31:19] <scrdcow> which is fine, but for me, I have lost some friends because of that.
[01:31:52] <scrdcow> because I never use facebook and also because of that paradigm shift. when I try to talk to them, they either doesn't really respond, or just say something small, and then go off.
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[01:32:42] <scrdcow> I could say that they are bad friends and shouldn't care. but I think it has more to do with the paradigm shift and how they get so into this new communication streams that the older ones just get left behind and time goes and people are forgotten a bit.
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[01:33:19] <scrdcow> and they are to stressed up in their lifes to actually try to get in contact. and if they do, and figure out that I don't want to use facebook. well, they seldom come online again or mail etc...
[01:34:23] <scrdcow> it has happened to me a couple of times. they left icq/msn/xmpp, only hang out on facebook/twitter/etc. they try to get hold of me, they manage, I get a mail, I reply and tell them how to concat me in different ways. they reply, I reply. and then silent.
[01:34:45] <scrdcow> it was to tiresome to have to use some OTHER program, or.. I dunno. something.
[01:35:13] <scrdcow> they wen't through all this "trouble" to track me down because they wanted to speak to me, but then the medium was wrong somehow. and they gave up.
[01:35:47] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> think I missed a bit before.... I could say they are bad friends....
[01:36:05] <scrdcow> shall I repost? we can take it priv on freenode
[01:36:46] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> shit something weird going on with my IRC
[01:37:22] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Started actually shouting 'oi' at me !!
[01:40:37] <scrdcow> haha oi? I sent pm, maybe it's that?
[01:40:53] <scrdcow> your running some weird uk-mod/irc-client? ;-)
[01:41:00] <scrdcow> or punk-mod ;-)
[01:41:10] <scrdcow> brb
[01:42:49] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> i got all that and I hear wot u saying
[01:42:56] <scrdcow> allright
[01:43:13] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I got mates who only ever use facebook
[01:43:27] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Dont know how to email!!
[01:44:10] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I can understand where u come from
[01:44:33] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I got loads of old mates who I rarely connect with
[01:44:44] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Even tho they on my FB
[01:44:47] <scrdcow> hehe
[01:44:55] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I now rarely use
[01:44:57] <scrdcow> I have some aswell, ofcourse,.
[01:45:14] <scrdcow> and I talk to them on xmpp/icq/msn
[01:45:16] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> A while back I was pushing out news on it
[01:45:19] <scrdcow> when I cant meat them
[01:45:25] <scrdcow> ore friend I seldom meet
[01:45:29] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Things I thought were important
[01:45:40] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Little response
[01:45:45] <scrdcow> but there is some not as tight-friends 
[01:45:59] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> But I guess that dont mean people werent reading
[01:46:16] <scrdcow> you can't be sure.
[01:46:21] <scrdcow> that's the problem
[01:46:25] <scrdcow> I like to have feedback.
[01:46:49] <scrdcow> do my friends like what I say, is it interesting, what do you feel? do you want to talk to me any longer? do you want to be a friend still? etc..
[01:46:53] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah IRL....
[01:46:54] <scrdcow> but today. people just ignore.
[01:47:03] <scrdcow> and you don't know.
[01:47:17] <scrdcow> and you can get a weird sense of that you actually believe that people are listening/reading/whatever.
[01:47:24] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Part of the reason I stopped pushing news
[01:47:29] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Some responses
[01:47:36] <scrdcow> and it gets important to get likes, so you have to push out stuf that people would like etc..
[01:47:58] <scrdcow> and most of the deeper more interestin chats gets offline
[01:48:02] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Also growing hate of FB, google,MS and all
[01:48:24] <scrdcow> since I guess you have actively start up a chat on fb to actually chat on... unless you chat by comments to posts.
[01:48:32] <scrdcow> but with IM.. you just... talk on..
[01:48:46] <scrdcow> could be more time consuming ofcourse. but it was nice, it is nice.
[01:49:07] <scrdcow> and if you pople doesn't respond, you know they are ignoring you.
[01:49:20] <scrdcow> and you can just delete them after a while, even thou it could be sad.
[01:49:21] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I never really used ICQ or any such
[01:49:31] <scrdcow> ok, I used it alot.
[01:49:54] <scrdcow> icq -> xmpp and then I actually ha to register msn-account just to be able to speak with one friend.
[01:50:01] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> video is good
[01:50:03] <scrdcow> but still run all free, in one client.
[01:50:09] <scrdcow> don't like video that much.
[01:50:45] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> miss a lot of communication from just txt
[01:50:50] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Or just voice
[01:51:27] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> bloody mouse in my house
[01:51:36] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> .... Or probably mice
[01:51:44] <scrdcow> used to video-chat alot with that old.. ICU or something.. i see you...
[01:51:48] <scrdcow> in the late 90's
[01:51:54] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> They dont hide from me
[01:52:03] <scrdcow> but I never really liked it. it wasn't that serious.
[01:52:54] <scrdcow> the nice thing about chatting like this is that you don't have to care about your looks (not that I do that much either way) and you can take breaks easily, look on pages, video etc do stuff meanwhile.
[01:52:56] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> i find get an extra level of communication with seeing people
[01:53:16] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah
[01:53:17] <scrdcow> but if you voice chat you can't and if you video chat you also have to look a tthe person you chat with I guess
[01:53:20] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I get ya
[01:53:36] <scrdcow> and I prefer not to. I have enough of that irl hehe
[01:53:38] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Yeah
[01:54:05] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I find even say with youtube vids
[01:54:11] <scrdcow> so I don't want to be without facetime, it's just that when i'm sitting by the computer I want to do other stuff meanwhile chatting.
[01:54:14] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Marcin from OSE
[01:54:24] <scrdcow> ever say with youtube vids?
[01:54:28] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Since I watch his vids
[01:54:36] <scrdcow> what about him?
[01:54:37] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I somehow like him more
[01:54:40] <scrdcow> aah
[01:54:41] <scrdcow> I see.
[01:54:43] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Hes more human
[01:54:47] <scrdcow> doesn't have to be one or the other.
[01:54:57] <scrdcow> but I prefer chatting like this for main-chatting.
[01:55:05] <scrdcow> and I can have the other kinds when wanted/needed.
[01:55:18] <scrdcow> but not for all my online communication needs.
[01:56:07] <scrdcow> I seem to think you get more interuptions when talking over phone/voice aswell.
[01:56:13] <scrdcow> some bad mic, someone walking somewhere etc etc..
[01:56:14] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah thats cool
[01:56:40] <scrdcow> and you have to resay everything. and even if you don't have to, typing isn't usually that much slower if your a good typist
[01:56:55] <scrdcow> <3 text
[01:57:09] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> u sad
[01:57:17] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> :D
[01:57:24] <scrdcow> I sad? :-D
[01:57:48] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> no its good
[01:57:51] <scrdcow> hehe
[01:57:55] <scrdcow> I don't really follow.
[01:58:02] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I enjoy engaging on IRC
[01:58:58] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> bloody mouse nearly ran over my foot.....
[01:59:10] <scrdcow> haha
[01:59:42] <scrdcow> at night it might run on your keyboard eating up the crumbs (if you don't happen to have a chiclet/island spaced keyboard) ;-)
[01:59:55] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> gonna clear all the crap out tomorrow find out where they hanging out.....
[02:00:17] <scrdcow> i'm reading up on keyboard tech, I think I have to evently build my own to get what I want.
[02:00:35] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> ...my smartphone keyboard????
[02:00:46] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> ...it has got one
[02:00:54] <scrdcow> no, not for smartphones... for standard comp. usb.
[02:00:59] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> .... But doubt many crumbs
[02:01:14] <scrdcow> aaah ok. hehe... on your smartphone, prolly not ;-D
[02:01:20] <scrdcow> just forgot you were using a smartphone
[02:01:47] <scrdcow> i'm not used going around being online all the time so my mind doesn't really recap that everyone else is :-D
[02:02:32] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> much of the time its in my pocket
[02:02:45] <scrdcow> it was the same with mobile phones, I had one pretty early, but very few others did so I didn't care for getting a new one. and I got one just five years ago. before that my mind didn't understand how other people thought of the mobile phone as an extension of their brains.
[02:03:03] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Tends to come out for tea breaks and meal times
[02:03:12] <scrdcow> I always had to plan times, exact places etc for meetups.
[02:03:14] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> The phone, not the mouse....
[02:03:19] <scrdcow> whereas other people just got on the bus...
[02:03:29] <scrdcow> and then ad-hoced it
[02:03:45] <scrdcow> hehe ok :-)
[02:04:09] <scrdcow> sometimes I which for looking shit up when i'm away. but after a couple of seconds, that need disappears and it feels great.
[02:04:58] <scrdcow> it was like an addiction for me before, to always wikipedia everything that came to my mind, because I was constantly sitting in front of the computer all day.
[02:05:09] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah sometimes I hate myself
[02:05:26] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> For always wanting to look everything up
[02:05:31] <scrdcow> but then I moved, lived without connection at my home for some months and that obsession went away.
[02:05:44] <scrdcow> I still do it, but I can handle the times when I can't
[02:06:02] <scrdcow> it's fine to not to look up exactly everything nowadays.
[02:06:15] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah Im an info addict
[02:06:19] <scrdcow> hehe me too.
[02:06:23] <scrdcow> but was more before.
[02:06:26] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Was before internet
[02:06:29] <scrdcow> a bit to much, I had to quit stuff.
[02:06:43] <scrdcow> like I never follow blogs any longer.
[02:06:44] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Always asking people stuff
[02:06:46] <scrdcow> couldn't really handle it.
[02:06:51] <scrdcow> hehe me too
[02:06:52] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Reading a lot
[02:07:07] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> The internet can be a problem for me.....
[02:07:16] <scrdcow> where are you from btw?
[02:07:47] <scrdcow> I tried to follow so much stuff that I couldn't keep pace and it just got to much and I had to quit.
[02:07:50] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> uK
[02:08:09] <scrdcow> now I just want to learn stuff that I will need to use. and maybe some just for entertainment, but that can be books.
[02:08:21] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> There is so much interesting  stuff tho isnt there....
[02:08:24] <scrdcow> that get more indepth, and gets you focused, and not split up like blogs can do.
[02:08:29] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> :)
[02:08:51] <scrdcow> you always nick darren? just wondering if you used some other nick before and we have spoken at length bofer.
[02:08:55] <scrdcow> before*
[02:09:11] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> dZr
[02:09:15] <scrdcow> yeah. and I have my specific interest that I want to follow. but don't do that much any longer because of that.
[02:09:24] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> When not on phone
[02:09:29] <scrdcow> ooh, just thought you where the same.
[02:09:48] <scrdcow> your power went out again? hehe ;-)
[02:10:14] <scrdcow> but I do want to get into blogs again. but this time I have to have strict limitations
[02:10:19] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> new contact
[02:10:24] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> On phone
[02:10:35] <scrdcow> and a better system for handling it all
[02:10:39] <scrdcow> new contact?
[02:10:58] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> They block my tethering
[02:11:00] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> So no laptop
[02:11:26] <scrdcow> like a maximum amount of posts to read each day, or time, and then a system for how to scrap bad blogs away automatically.
[02:11:32] <scrdcow> sort of.
[02:11:36] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> contract
[02:11:38] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> On phone
[02:11:40] <scrdcow> to many bad votes and it goes
[02:11:43] <scrdcow> ah ok.. idiots.
[02:11:43] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> What ur special interest???
[02:11:46] <scrdcow> about the tethering
[02:12:16] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah
[02:12:19] <scrdcow> veganism, anarchism, free software and stuff like that.
[02:12:32] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Aha
[02:12:40] <scrdcow> so i wanted to follow all good blogs that covered all those areas.
[02:12:49] <scrdcow> and feminism
[02:13:14] <scrdcow> and then some odd or other blogs aswell.
[02:13:25] <scrdcow> general computer blogs etc..
[02:13:26] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> that could be a shit load of reading.....
[02:13:28] <scrdcow> but it got to much
[02:13:30] <scrdcow> yeah.
[02:13:44] <scrdcow> and you always found some new blog that seemed interesting.
[02:13:59] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah
[02:14:09] <scrdcow> but five years ago I just quit, and quit reading news and all that.
[02:14:10] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> always another link
[02:14:20] <scrdcow> (didn't read that much news before thou either).
[02:14:25] <scrdcow> and it feels much cleaner sort of.
[02:14:25] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> till falling asleep at the keyboard
[02:14:32] <scrdcow> but I miss that i'm not that informed all the time
[02:14:42] <scrdcow> I just rely on people telling me about stuff mostly
[02:14:48] <scrdcow> hehe yes
[02:14:54] <scrdcow> I used to be a wikipedia junkie
[02:15:07] <scrdcow> didn't go to bed until good ol firefox crashed because of to many tabs open
[02:15:14] <scrdcow> it was before the days of session support
[02:15:18] <scrdcow> and I crashed to bed
[02:15:27] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> I spent many years reading newspapers
[02:15:32] <scrdcow> and got up next day and remember some of the stuff I was reading and... back again :-D
[02:15:37] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> 2-3 hours a day
[02:15:53] <scrdcow> was reading wp aprox 10-12h a day
[02:15:59] <scrdcow> just random stuff
[02:16:02] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> Still do sometimes
[02:16:14] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> fuk
[02:16:46] <scrdcow> reading wp and downloading, sorting and listening to music was sort of what I did, and some cooking :-D
[02:16:53] <scrdcow> and chatting with friends
[02:17:00] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> saying that this week I pretty much spent most my  waking hours
[02:17:07] <scrdcow> hehe
[02:17:20] <scrdcow> news is fine, if it's good article. but.. in the end.. it's so much crap you read...
[02:17:36] <scrdcow> i'd rather read good articles once a month.
[02:17:37] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah
[02:17:57] <scrdcow> some recap newspaper with good articles, one time every month, would be nice.
[02:18:16] <scrdcow> and if it's really important, the info will reach me anyways.
[02:18:32] <scrdcow> time for a cigg and then try to sleep now I guess.
[02:18:52] <scrdcow> nice talking to you :-)
[02:18:57] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> yeah u hour ahead of me....
[02:19:02] <scrdcow> but pretty monologic hehe...
[02:19:05] <scrdcow> hehe true
[02:19:10] <scrdcow> have to go up around 11.
[02:19:11] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> And u scrd
[02:19:22] <scrdcow> peace
[02:19:35] <nobody> 06<05Darr@FREENODE06> :)
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[04:04:39] <scrdcow> couldn't sleep :-c
[04:04:41] <scrdcow> started reading book
[04:06:35] <scrdcow> "In our culture we put much more value on the active than the passive. We have sayings like, 'I'd rather be hung for doing something than not doing something.' With this attitude dinned inte us we feel we're not contributing anything if we're not putting in something of our own. But listening is in many ways the greatest contribution we can make. Many of the Earth's ills arise from people rushing in and acting before listening to either the land of the peopl
[04:07:02] <scrdcow> s/of/or/
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[17:52:30] <DNS777> it seems soon we can register .sucks and .lol adresses
[17:52:52] <DNS777> i think i will register some then :D
[18:04:21] <DNS777> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UAeSsvHhTg lol
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[23:11:05] <scrdcow> DNS777: haha lol
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