[00:34:39] *** DNS777 is now known as GNU777 [01:22:31] GNU777: mediagoblin seem to have a bug that if I higher the volume (by media-buttons) it will exit the fullscreen mode. have you experienced the same or it's just me? [01:22:48] *** GNU777 is now known as DNS777 [01:29:17] DNS777: another one when you enter fullscreen and exit fullscreen, the audio lags. [01:30:09] jm k [01:30:32] report the for mediagoblin devs [01:33:25] jm k? :-D [01:33:46] just wanted to know if you had the same bugs [01:34:42] but i dont have this problem [01:34:46] just tested [01:34:52] maybe its a brwoser problem [01:35:06] im usin abrowser 13 atm [01:35:10] ah ok. [01:35:12] true [01:35:13] ff based [01:35:18] I shall try with the latest. [01:35:19] first. [01:35:35] but, thx. now I know. [01:35:50] http://media.rbose.org:6543/u/dns/m/richard-stallman-copyright-vs-community-in-the-age-of-computer-networks-ljubljana-2012/ [01:35:50] DNS777's URL: http://tinyurl.com/coqccpv [01:35:51] URL Title: RMS - Copyright vs. community in the age of computer networks @ Ljubljana (2012) GNU MediaGoblin [01:36:01] this is quite long heh 2hours [01:36:24] *** Quits: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [01:41:48] have heard him make that talk a couple of times [01:48:59] *** Quits: Kebap (LeckerKebap@RBOSE-9fl9ji.unitymediagroup.de) (Connection closed) [10:12:43] *** Joins: kman (kman@RBOSE-1vjua3.student.uu.se) [10:30:30] *** Joins: Caly (Caly@RBOSE-mk6fbq.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) [10:30:36] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:30:38] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Changing host) [10:30:39] -nobody- Calyp has joined on FREENODE [10:30:41] -nobody- mode change by ChanServ on FREENODE: +v Calyp [11:02:39] *** Joins: Kimsan (Kimsan@RBOSE-b8raf0.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) [12:43:45] http://noonco.com/edison/ [12:43:46] URL Title: Edison Nickel Iron Battery NiFe Builder's Page [13:02:11] http://www.nutsvolts.com/ [13:02:12] URL Title: Nuts & Volts Magazine - For The Electronics Hobbyist [13:45:33] http://woodgears.ca/ [13:45:34] URL Title: Woodworking for engineers [13:45:59] GNUkas: you might like those resources... [13:46:40] help me get that link to idk whenever he comes around [14:25:13] http://thelivingcrock.tumblr.com/post/24880055109/project-updates-rubarb-fermets-and-the-red-herb [14:25:15] URL Title: The Living Crock [14:25:27] Trying to get my fermentation projects out there ^^ [14:31:36] *** Quits: Caly (Caly@RBOSE.org) (Quit: gone working on freeconomy =o)) [14:31:37] -nobody- Calyp has quit FREENODE (Quit: gone working on freeconomy =o)) [15:26:03] hi everyone :) [15:27:48] o/ [16:41:13] http://identi.ca/conversation/94020646#notice-94467327 :( [16:41:14] URL Title: Conversation - Identi.ca [16:45:28] and the ill US military want to use linux for its drones now becuz theeir previous drones were affected by viruses [16:45:34] this is so fukkin sick [16:45:57] GPLv4 is needed with a clause dont use GPL software for any relation to war [16:45:59] fukkin shit [16:46:49] lolworld 2.0 [16:50:06] sickworld 2.0.1.2 [16:55:10] http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Lost-Found-Twitter-password-cracking-and-GPL-malware-1615311.html [16:55:11] URL Title: Lost+Found: Twitter password cracking and GPL malware - The H Security: News and Features [16:55:22] @_@ [16:57:31] -_- [16:58:05] some really find joy in messing things up for others, sadly [17:00:26] and facebook claims they only save the data of the like button ow for 90 days [17:00:39] if so i wonder how their "timeline" feature should work further lol [17:00:52] ow=now [17:04:53] facebook can clame what ever they want. I will still think they are evil human beings [17:05:21] "they own the searchbox, and we put our dreams in it"... [17:05:31] yep [17:06:09] anyways i bet facebook will now die slowly [17:07:08] ofc it will. The only people who still writes in the newsfeeds are the ones taking picture of their food, or relaying something about lolcats [17:07:34] http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9217581/Facebook_loses_6M_U.S._users_in_May [17:07:35] URL Title: Facebook loses 6M U.S. users in May - Computerworld [17:10:07] ah i thought this is was this year heh [17:23:09] http://ajfisher.me/2012/06/10/is-this-the-end-of-windows-server/ \o/ [17:23:10] URL Title: Is this the end of Windows Server? | Technology Treason [17:31:39] http://blogs.gnome.org/commitdigest/2012/06/10/issue-192/ [17:31:40] URL Title: » Issue 192 GNOME Commit-Digest [17:37:38] Trying to spam diaspora as much as possible with my links on fermentation [17:41:46] Seems like everyone in that community is permaculture loving vegans. 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[21:37:26] ola [21:40:19] DNS777: there is license with that type of clause already that can be used. [21:40:39] scrdcow: which one? [22:00:28] GNUkas: don't remember now. I think it was a permissive license, but it was couple of years ago I read about it. [22:01:11] GNUkas: the problem with that types of licenses imo is that all sorts of groups would like to put hinderence on the code. I'd rather the code can be used for whatever, even thou it might be evil in my eyes. [22:03:09] *** DNS777 is now known as UNG [22:03:19] this way stuff which was meant to bring freedom maybe will bring death due to usage by fukking military and psychopaths/sociopaths alike [22:04:03] GNUkas: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLUC [22:04:04] URL Title: SLUC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:04:23] *** UNG is now known as GNUwo0t [22:04:49] GNUkas: yes, but they would write software and do that anyways. I understand the issue but think that limiting freedom in that regard won't help much [22:05:43] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_licence#Purpose_of_use [22:05:44] URL Title: Free software licence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:06:23] ability to control your life is freedom, ability to control lives of others is power -- something is not right, maybe missing in the free software definition [22:07:11] ,quote get #158 [22:07:11] GNUkas: (quote get [] ) -- Gets the quote with id from the quote database for . is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. [22:07:20] without # [22:07:25] ,quote get 158 [22:07:25] GNUkas: Quote #158: "Control over your own life is freedom; control over others' life is power. I stand for freedom and against power. ~ Richard Stallman" (added by lukas at 10:16 AM, December 13, 2010) [22:07:37] thx [22:07:42] yw:) [22:10:18] it would also be hard for some nation to deem free software as something used by terrorists if they use it themselves. ofcourse they would be almost hte only terrorists using it, but still ;-) [22:10:30] free society and power? to me this is in conflict clearly [22:11:17] GNUkas: but you control life of others if you are not letting them get hold of the free software. [22:11:37] ,quote random [22:11:37] GNUwo0t: Quote #203: "True democracy discovers by patient experiment and unanimous acknowledgement what the laws of nature or universe may be for the physical support and metaphysical satisfaction of the human intellect's function in universe. ~ Buckminster Fuller" (added by lukas at 02:27 PM, August 13, 2011) [22:11:53] GNUkas: you will put one ethic against another. I don't think we will end wars or make much difference by not allowing military to use free software. [22:12:42] but I understand why some people would like it. but to me it opens up to all various kinds of restrictions. [22:13:15] i know one: life with contradictions equals mindfart :D [22:13:15] scrdcow millitary is made to KILL to save a life [22:13:28] *not to save [22:13:38] or even not to protect [22:13:57] ofcourse, i'm not for the military, why do you think that? [22:14:32] US military dont kill innocent people, they have only bombs of freedom and peace and every drone kills also only terrorists and makes peace! they have the bombs of peace man! [22:14:36] :x [22:14:51] lol [22:15:02] of peace or democracy? [22:15:03] lol [22:15:16] `f [22:15:16] EvilGNU: Q: What is purple and conquered the world? A: Alexander the Grape. [22:15:23] EvilGNU: it's doomocracy :P [22:15:28] yes their bombs kill only the Evil people [22:15:39] so you have to take care with this nick EvilGNU [22:15:40] anyways, I don't believe in that strategy and don't want to complicate the issue of free software by opening up for various groups to put various kinds of hinderence on the code just because some other starts to do it and it spreads. [22:15:40] oh no i should hide [22:15:42] lol jk [22:15:44] :D [22:15:47] haha [22:16:07] I think you have to work against military in other ways. [22:16:16] scrdcow i don't want millitary use anything what i create [22:16:38] `f [22:16:39] EvilGNU: Q: What do you call a principal female opera singer whose high C is lower than those of other principal female opera singers? A: A deep C diva. [22:16:49] EvilGNU: sure, to each his own. but it won't be free software compatible, atleat not GPL. [22:16:59] EvilGNU: so you woulde have to write a whole lot of code. [22:17:02] not FREE to abuse lol [22:17:14] EvilGNU: instead of being able to use others work and build on that. [22:17:36] !dance [22:17:36] * missboty shows her amazing Mambo skills with GNUwo0t in #RBOSE [22:21:11] * GNUkas grabs missboty and dance together to a peace song [22:22:39] !dance GNUkas [22:22:40] * missboty is very excited to show her Salsa skills with GNUkas in #RBOSE [22:23:08] so whats goin on tonite [22:23:14] in CC we have 'non commercial', we should have as well 'not for military' [22:23:57] this non-commercial means non-military too i think... or is any military non-commercial? [22:25:06] hmm, let's think... they sell deaths for oil or other resources, i guess it's profit driven then... [22:25:19] GNUkas: is it copyleft and does that also apply to shorter samples? [22:26:15] GNUkas: you will make two different commons and I think that would work against free software and won't stop the military. the military was around and well before the free software community came around. [22:26:57] GNUkas: if they want to hire some extra programmers I don't think that will change much, they will just higher the spending. [22:27:05] the GPLv4 could say that freeodm means also not a software which is used to kill people [22:28:01] but you don't know how it would be used. [22:28:20] you mean your not supposed to be allowed to code it so that it will be targeted to kill people? [22:28:34] but still can be used by military, for ex linux. [22:29:00] for example if the software is used in (or to control) drones then it would be a clear abuse [22:29:44] ok, used. yes. but it would be incompatible to all other GPL versions. [22:30:09] not sure about that [22:30:22] you will make a specific commons that can't be shared with the other GPL one. [22:30:38] GNUkas: why not? othrewize there would be a loophole and it would be useless. [22:30:57] GNUkas: if you could take the code and use it in a GPLv2 or GPLv3 project, that the military later can use. [22:31:52] but you already have that problem with gplv3... hmm. [22:31:54] well, FSF could add new points to GPLv4, we will see :) [22:32:09] sure, if they changed there definition of freedome. [22:32:14] freedom* [22:32:29] but I don't think that many people would use it. [22:32:44] that is also the case with gplv3. to many restrictions and people tend to wean off. [22:33:00] i think many free software developers might be pacifists too [22:33:05] but i might be wrong [22:33:57] I think but it would be GPLv3 + clause. [22:34:06] and alot of people don't like to use GPLv3 already. [22:34:20] GPLv3 <3 [22:34:44] and if there would be GPLv2 + clause, standard GPLv2 and GPLv3 + clause and standard GPLv3 it will all be very splintered and it would be harder to reuse code. [22:34:53] and people will turn more towards permissive licenses. [22:35:05] which is bad for copyleft. [22:37:16] even though it would be nice I think it's a bad strategy for both anti-military work and pro-free software work. [22:37:44] maybe you are right and i'm wrong, but maybe it's the opposite, because of military games we spoke in past i cannot exclude your perspective to be in favor of abusing people's freedom one way or another [22:38:21] it's not in favor at all. you it's just that I don't believe in that strategy. [22:40:02] it boils down to sort of the same arguments you have with copyleft vs. permissive... which is also problematic imo. [22:41:06] *** Joins: DZR (Darren@RBOSE-e18b9v.as13285.net) [22:41:33] I would like to think that if you have no problem with a completly free software world, you wouldn't have a problem with copyleft. and the same logic should apply to military use, and it does I guess. It's just that I believe it's not the best strategy. and also it's more complex... the military isn't only about code. but a code licence is only concerned with the code and the users freedom in regards to that. [22:42:09] evening all :) [22:42:36] which makes it more interesting to me as a strategy to say that you shouldn't be allowed to take away freedoms from the code. [22:42:50] because it will effect the whole thing that we are trying to effect. [22:43:12] the main purpose. but when it comes to military, I don't think it will make much difference. [22:43:15] DZR: evning [22:44:11] scrdcow: no ideology above a single life of a human being is what i think, be it whatever [22:44:56] GNUkas: sure, go ahead and build your own free software commons and see how many people wil follow :-) [22:45:20] it would be great, but I just don't believe in the strategy. [22:45:49] what military dominance by commons robot armies? [22:46:06] drones? [22:46:07] DZR: we were talking about military use of free software [22:46:38] guess these things will happen with free stuff? [22:47:18] DZR: there is a couple of licenses not allowing it but they haven't really spread. the most bigger free software and open source communities think it's fine. [22:47:43] DZR: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLUC and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_licence#Purpose_of_use [22:47:44] URL Title: SLUC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [22:48:29] maybe we will need to hack just the crap, i wonder what will be the response in the community, nevertheless the military assholes already use linux on submarines and in other places since years, maybe the problem will rise one day to the surface to get enough attention, probably literally as floating dead body with string of holes "killed by linux", lool [22:48:35] and stallmans thoughts on it... http://fsfe.org/projects/gplv3/barcelona-rms-transcript#q11-banning-bad-use [22:48:36] URL Title: GPLv3 - Transcript of Richard Stallman from the third international GPLv3 conference, Barcelona; 2006-06-22 [22:48:44] GNUkas: hack the crap? [22:49:52] GNUkas: atleast it killed fast, efficiently, and clean ;-) [22:51:36] gtg [22:53:51] Everyone is still all GNUd up here..... [22:54:48] GNUkas [22:55:20] yes? [22:55:27] hm i think that the us military basically thinks its good to switch to linux because windows has too many viruses. but well i just thought that it probably doesnt help much, because if its war and a if a drone is captured im very sure that it wouldn take too long till the "enemies" or "terrorists" (whatever lol) have coded an exploit for that.... just think if its war then they probably try to get the best [22:55:29] hackers in the "cyber-war" [23:02:04] GNUkas you up for being involved with crowd sourcing governance mechanisms then? [23:02:16] (sorry to change the subject) [23:03:16] also even if there was a license sayin "no military allowed to use this software", who controls what software is used by military and who is allowed to control this? [23:03:42] good point [23:04:01] DZR: can it wait until tomorrow? i already fall asleep here [23:04:56] i meant, who is allowed to check this [23:05:28] behind closed doors we dont know how many gpl violations are done [23:05:35] i mean not only military [23:06:27] =_o [23:06:42] GNUwo0t: those type of restrictions (even copyleft) would likely need a government to uphold it. but not neccessarily. [23:07:08] basically we need a free society [23:07:28] and if we would have a free society worldwide i doubt we need any military [23:07:43] :-) [23:08:26] people need to change their minds, and we need to find ways to help them to do this :D [23:08:30] I think we have to build deeper, I mean shift the morale and ethics deeper in people. and that might take time. [23:08:49] deeper as in, it's so clear that no law is needed to uphold it. [23:09:06] the collective ethics and morale [23:09:39] scrdcow: i agree, i just wonder how much time we have [23:09:55] and for that I think we have to build new societies based on these new ethics, but it takes time.. time... [23:10:34] yes, I prioritace what I believe is the most important from a both collective (community-wize) and individual perspective. [23:10:58] prioritize* [23:11:04] need to go anyways. ttyl [23:11:11] GNUkas :) [23:14:21] GNUwo0t - time always ticks on..... [23:14:58] and I guess that perspectives can change fairly quickly [23:16:55] yes and i guess it depends on the circumstances situations and environment [23:17:54] I think that the conditions are fairly 'right' for change [23:18:03] yes we need the GNU World Order asap! [23:18:07] GNU WORLD ORDER [23:18:07] lol :D [23:18:14] where do I sign [23:18:21] GNU gno it! [23:19:10] :-> [23:19:28] There does appear to be growing interest in commons - I think in a big part due to GNU. [23:19:36] which led to CC [23:19:59] The mayor of Milan is pushing commons stuff.... [23:23:01] and this http://www.schoolofcommoning.com/content/what-role-commons-economy [23:23:03] URL Title: What is the role of the commons in the economy? | School of Commoning [23:30:13] http://p2pfoundation.net/Seven_Characteristics_of_a_Global-Commons_Approach_to_Sustainable_Development [23:30:14] URL Title: Seven Characteristics of a Global-Commons Approach to Sustainable Development - P2P Foundation [23:31:56] ^^Suggestions for Rio+20 from Commons Action for the United Nations, a network of CSOs, including the Institute for Planetary Synthesis and the Association of World Citizens.