"Harold P. Boushell" wrote:

> (((WHICH FOR "NOW THIS DAY" is SECOND to a reply to my

> (((CLASSIFICATION OF FUNCTIONS: E-MAIL.  I NEED AN

> (((INVENTORY OF WHAT WE "HAVE".  Nothing of "GRATE DETAIL"

> (((just what are "OUR" functional BLOCKS.



Added to my priority list.



> (((JUST WHERE "WE" ARE, the remark "I just forgot

> (((to write the code for that", Jure. Is understandable,

> (((but a bit of a functional problem.



Yes... =] It is not like it's supposed to happen ever again, I have

fixed my work organization + the productivity-decrease factors are

starting to slowly slime their way away from me.



> (((THE PROBLEM I AM HAVING WITH THE "ICI" AS IT IS, IS

> (((THAT THERE IS NO "CONTEXT DRIVEN <F1> KEY/MOUSE,

> (((PAUSE "BOX's" or any HELP functions.

> (((

> (((WEB BASED "COMMERCIAL" PRODUCTS, "DOWN LOADS" HAVE:

> (((GLOSSARY'S, INDEX's, and "CONTEXT DRIVEN HELP".  You

> (((can't have "CONTEXT" if you don't know what "FUNCTION"

> (((your in at any given moment.  SOFTWARE WISE, THIS

> (((IS NOT A BIG A DEAL AS IT MIGHT SEEM.  IT JUST REQUIRES

> ((("FUNCTIONAL BLOCK HEADER DEFAULT FLAG-STRINGS.



Context sensitive help file use is supported in Visual Basic, but it's a

topic that kind of stinks to me at the moment. I will much much rather

have it done my way.



> (((BERRIED IN THIS SUBTERFUGE IS THE FACT DOING THIS

> (((WILL DOCUMENT "SOURCE CODE" FOR IT'S TRUE FUNCTIONS.

> (((IT IS EITHER THIS OR MAJOR "BOOK PUBLISHING EFFORT"

> (((TO MAKE USER MANUALS WHICH NO ONE READ'S ANY HOW,

> (((TODAY.  :o).  HPB



How about a context sensitive HTML manual that is loaded by an ICI

function? =]



> (((Not really, what must be minimized is not CONTROL, but use

> (((of BANDWIDTH.  The SERVER DROP'S OUT AFTER INTRODUCTIONS,

> (((within the P2P or B2B modes of operation.



Agree with this.



> (((The USER-BUYER wants to tap "HIS SERVER DATA BASE" for

> (((repair work, this is not, `interference'.



In either case, there will be a situation when we are not there to fix

the problem. The last thing I would want to be doing is to be forcing my

code to FORCE ME to handle the CODE'S OWN PROBLEM. The system is

curently made to handle it's own problems, like the Internet does.



> My impression of these customers are that they are ...

> 

> (((ONE OF HIS NEED'S IS THE ABILITY TO

> (((

> (((==> "DO IT ALL WORK FROM ONE SIDE OF THE WIRE", <==

> (((

> (((HE/SHE REALLY DOES NOT WANT TO TALK AT LENGTH WITH

> (((HIS "END USER", HE JUST WANTS TO FIND OUT WHAT THE

> (((PROBLEM IS AND FIX-IT, ASAP, AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT

> (((PROBLEM.

> (((

> (((THE LAST THING HE/SHE WANT TO DO IS "GO ACROSS"

> (((TOWN IN HIS/HER CAR WITH A BUNCH OF CD TO INSTALL

> (((SOMETHING ON A "WORKSTATION" FOR A SINGLE "END USER".



Yes. And? =] Mind doing a little more of the thinking-work for us? =] Is

there a one-piece solution to this? 



> (((I ASKED FOR A SPECIFIC LIST OF THESE, "server components"

> (((AND AT THIS WRITING HAVE RECEIVED NOTHING.  I NEED TO

> (((KNOW JUST WHAT "ENGINES" WE HAVE IN THE ICI.  :O(.



As far as I know, there are none right now. But you supposed some of the

functions would be located only on the server side. I have no idea who

was supposed to define a list of such, but I can put it on my priority

list to chew trough the discussion we had so far and organize a list of

supposebly required functions. But of course I will need the command to

do so, since selfinnitiative seems to be slightly unproductive here.



> (((Neil, I NEED TO KNOW JUST WHAT "WE" have COMPLETED TO DATE,

> (((BOTH ON YOUR END "SERVER STUFF" and Jure's end "WORKSTATION

> (((STUFF".  Your TIME PRESSURE is not my time pressure, nor

> (((Jure's.  IF need be I will CARRY THE HOLE PROJECT, and you

> (((can go on to your Meta whatevers.  Which if done at your

> (((speed will still take 3 months, you need a "BUSINESS" to

> (((make agreements etc., and place AD's etc.  Weather you see

> (((it or not your playing with LARGE MARKET, even at HAROLD's

> (((narrowly defined "REMOTE CUSTOMER SUPPORT AREA".  :|. HPB.



Calm down. I will organize an already-done list as a top priority and

send it to you when it is finnished.



> >-------------------------------------------------------------

> >[Introduce inter computer cooperation and organization pattern

> >for ICI Console]

> 

> (((-more- info ???



NetSim version 2.0 (use interface slider to increase or decrease request

traffic) shows a perfectly functioning architecture according to which,

each node sends in reports on how full it's execution queue is when the

fullity significantily changes + there is a special nodepick

architecture. The status exchange allows any node to pick another (to

execute a command) in a way that none of them is overloaded. There is

also a hynge in it: I yet need to invent a procedure according to which,

the multiple nodes will be able to make a deal on who will execute a

command.



> >[System description = Simulation2, basement computer, 500 MB disk]

> >[Post reference = joint-processing ICI network]

> >

> >-------------------------------------------------------------

> >[Do Harold's modifications]

> 

> (((AT THIS TIME I HAVE NO REAL modifications IN MIND.

> (((WHAT IS NEEDED IS 100 % WORKING SOMETHING.  WHICH

> (((WHEN DONE, WE CAN "LOVINGLY DESTROY" INTO A "PROTOTYPE"

> (((PRODUCT OR PRODUCTS. Jure the "GUI" COMPLEXITY you have

> (((is to much.  You are to close to the problems to see

> (((this at this time.  When the "PROTOTYPE" is properly

> (((destroyed into a "COMMERCIAL PRODUCT" you will say

> ((("yea" that's what I wanted to do all a long.  Neil,

> (((from some of your "CODE" samples you have sent me

> (((you do not like "DOCUMENTATION" very much.



If I understand you correctly, you want me to brake down the Console

into more seperate applications? Or what? What is it that you mean by

"GUI COMPLEXITY"? Is there an example you can give me?



> >[Discuss additional esthetics fixes]

> 

> (((Jure: think about 5 separate "GUI" driven from a central

> ((("GUI" home "MASTER MENU" with certain access privileges

> (((to SUB MENUS/FUNCTIONS.



I don't understand, draw a picture of it. =] Seriously, it might seem

we're "the gang", but we're not all that similar and it is very hard to

read minds over a textual interface.



> >------------------------------------------------------------

> >[Develop methods for remote debugging]

> (((This is CENTRAL AND VERY IMPORTANT, debugging should

> (((survive a "RE-BOOT" with it's "ERROR INFORMATION INTACT".



Ha, yes I know that. But how?! Debuging via debug logs is always going

to be tricky, because the bug might be in that very procedure.



> >------------------------------------------------------------

> >[WebPages for the ICI programmatic collective]

> 

> (((-MORE- INFORMATION.



Example = The MicroSoft Network



> >------------------------------------------------------------

> >[Debug the Society]

> >[Post reference = chat-forum]

> 

> (((Think interims of the "END USER" as a "non-person" also

> (((even an APPLICATION PROGRAM.  Use "BOOT/START" CONFIGURATION

> (((files, this includes "software STATE", as well as HARDWARE

> (((configuration with reference to the "LOCAL OPERATING SYSTEM".



My problem is that I can't debug it on those other OSs.



> >[Continue development on remaining ideas]

> (((NO JUST MAKE IT WORK AS ADVERTISED FOR NOW.



Come on, it's a bottom priority. It's about to end up down there

forever. =]



> (((You have never had a "MOUSE DRIVER" failure, after installing

> (((someone else program DLL's, or Gotten into one of those

> (((dammed WINDOW's BOX's with only one "ACTION POSSIBLE", yes

> (((<ALT>, <some ASCII leter is welcomed, if it works>.



Hint: The Windows 'Help for disabled people' includes a keyboard-driven

mouse. I sparsely use it on my downstairs computer, where to mouse is

frozen (litterately, it's cold down there) and has the nasty feature of

clicking along where I don't want it to click.



> (((Who cares what You or I or Jure "THINKS" the "market"

> (((will make that decision for "US".  "FOLLOW THE MONEY".



That's an extreemis view. =] You will see the balance functioning and

you will like it.



It's somehow like this: The users-that-don't-know-how-to-use-notepad are

not brainwashed stupid, they are only 'kids' on this area. Programers

are their 'parents', again, on this area. If we introduce a new method,

our 'kids' will be quick to learn as soon as there is a reason to do so

+ it is presented simple enough. The 'kids' will also very quickly be

amazed when they see something beyond anything they have seen so far and

it will not be all that hard to make them amazed of ICI. Kids as always

like it most when their parents do everything instead of them. Who cares

if they grow up stupid, just look at MS.



C'ya!



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