J Kolenovsky wrote:

> Has anyone heard of the family name, "Kolenovsky"? It is Czechslovakian.

> What little I know is that the name may have originated in a village

> called Kathyrnoslav (sp?) in the Ukrainian/Georgian area in the late

> 1600's. (I later found out that these 2 places are no where near each

> other)

> 

> Someone else said:

> Could be Czech, the word "koleno" means "knee". "Kolenov" could have

> been a name of a village and the "vsky" just indicates that the person

> comes

> from that village.

>

> A response from another group:

> The ending of names, "sky", is very old, exiting in an Old Bohemian

> language probably since mid 14-Century, which was attachment used from

> local places.  



First of all you will have to tell us the pronounciation of the word. Is

it like Kol/e/nov or like K/o/lenov?



Posting from <news:soc.culture.slovenia> (from Slovenia indeed), I can

confirm that "koleno" means "knee" and as it seems to me the "vsky" is

nothing but a round-up add-on for the "koleno" part (perhaps not as

obvious to someone speaking a non-slavic language). This type of

round-up is typical for places around Russia, Ukraine and all the way to

Czechslovakia (The same surname would probably be rounded up as

"KolEnov" in Slovenia and, for example, "Koleni" [pronounced with a

wide "O"] in Serbia).



I sincerely doubt the name represents a city, it seems more like a

name-made-out-of-person's-character. For example, people with their

names related to carots or water drinkers, will never go looking for a

carot city or water-drinker city and I see nothing extraordinary in this

aspect about your knee-related surname. 



The name Kathyrnoslav (if as Kathyrn-o-slav: Katarinoslav), refers to a

woman named Katarina (slav is added, obviously a Slavic city) and is

most likely not directly linked to your surname. 



You might get a more precise date at which the surname was created, if

you look for the date at which surnames (and recordkeeping) were being

introduced to law in the cuntry you suppose the name originated from

(this date is most likely to be found). In most Slavic countries it was

a common thing to just use names, so until records of people's property

were forced into law, most people didn't have a real surname. If the

date you get is way too low, then I must have just made a fool of

myself. =]



If you're still looking for a city, I advise you make out the remaining

slavic reformations of the name Kolenov, Kolenovsky, Koleni, etc and

look for explanations within those nations.



All this is of course only my oppion, you will have to merge it with the

rest to get a more precise answer.



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