SONICIDE wrote:

> No one is forcing you to act like a jerk



Speak for yourself and check the thread name while you're at it.



I will not try to switch to peace mode. 



> > I wonder if applogizing for being rough in the very next line isn't soon

> > enough for you, what is?

> 

> excuse me? You want me to appologise for speaking my mind? Sorry I

> believe in freedom of speak.



I meant I applogized for anything that I intended to do harm

immediately, in the next line of my post. Accept?



> > > But when I started reading this stuff

> > > lately about how Howling has no choice and has to do everything he says

> > > thats sick considering Howling is only 16.

> >

> > How nice to troll around with somebody like that, when Howling isn't

> > here to flame you back, eh? You are being evil.

> 

> trolling? Trolling who? 



Sorry I missjudged your behaviour. I seems a bit like Snuh's when he is

trolling.



> You are getting paranoid now.



The situation is appropriate.



> I saw posts saying he was 16, beg your pardon, oops I made a mistake,

> he's 2 years older and the fact that your younger makes your behavior ok

> right? By the way just saying your someone's friend doesn't make it so.

> Like they say "with friends like you who needs enemies."



I am not manipulating him. You have missjudged me here.



> > The only person manipulating here was Howling' on Loner', slightly. I

> > told him it was time to quit it and he obviously changed his mind

> > eventualy, as he just recently sent me this message:

> 

> now your posting other peoples emails to you? Why don't you just let

> them speak for themselves or are you afraid of that?



Howling' told me that he was lying to Loner' in order not to hurt him.

Tell me what am I to make of this in THIS situation?



> > There you are, trying to get my friends away from me now that I've

> > finnaly found some that will fit the defenition of friends in the first

> > place. Shame on you.

> 

> I also didn't know that people had to meet

> some sort of 'criteria' to be so graciously allowed in your presence oh

> alpha legend supreme *barf*



Sorry if you were offended by the joke. I seemed to me like Howling' was

accepting it in the rather playfull manner. Perhaps I should have SAID

it was a joke -- my mistake.



> You seem very worried over the things I've said.



I am worried of loosing my friends because somebody is trying to

convince them they are not safe with me. I have my reason to feel bad

about loosing friends, now that I've finnaly gotten some.



> > > What realy has upset me is that Howling posts are just an echo of all

> > > the ideas and everything Jure says.

> >

> > You have a problem with that?

> 

> Definitely because he wasn't like that when he first started posting.

> But you like that he's a good little crony don't you.



I'll tell you the truth: No I DON'T feel bothered by somebody agreeing

with me.



Nor do you I guess.



> There is a difference between sharing the same view and just say 'yes'

> and 'what he said' and basically copying you word for word. When you

> share the same view with someone you tell the same thing in your own

> way, you agree and interject your own take on it atleast part of the

> time ,not just repeat stuff. If you were his freind you would encourage

> him to form his own opinions. Here's another quote: "If you love

> something set it free..."



("If you love somebody, set them free..." -- Sting)



You have just uncovered both sides of the story, but not the other half

of it.



When I met Howling' we have soon found that we are allike eachother,

very much allike in fact, if not indentical. I told him we could make

great use of that fact by working on the same things at once and

cooperating, we would double our thinking capacities by sharing. And

that's what happened. It's not particulary hard to guess that then, due

to the fact that we were indentical we came up with the same conclusions

given the same situation. 



I have been trying to get him enough diversity (by telling him to get

some), but it did not take effect yet.



> > > Are these real Howlings view points

> > > or just what Jure has taught him to believe? I see this relationship to

> > > be VERY UNHEALTHY.

> >

> > You find our freindship in your way. WHY?

> 

> I do? hows that? In the way of what?Your being paranoid again. You don't

> like me speaking my mind and you find I'm interfering eh?



Yes, I'm being paranoid. I couldn't survive without my packmates.

Something Howling' understands all too well. The thought that my

packmates are close to me in a way calms me down. But of course I can't

fool myself thinking they are close to me if I think there is somebody

out there trying hard to make them feel unsafe with me.



> > > Hopefully if your reading this too Howling,

> >

> > Since you obviously don't belive a word I say, here are some computer

> > program log file contens for you (date time stamps are recorded as the

> > messages arive, I snipped away some of them, if you really want them you

> > can have me send them to you, but they are not relevant. Where is

> > snipped is obvious from the delays; due to a program bug, only the

> > recieved messages are recorded, not the outgoing ones):

> 

> I don't want your damn private email, how dare you post howling private

> emails on here now? Thats friendship?



First of all, these aren't e-mails. Second, I'm 100% sure Howling' would

do the same given this situation.



> > --- Begin ICI communcation log file quote ---

> > 07-22-2002 20:14:35| [Win_Robert]  Grp_ICIHub: Not a problem, I'm going

> > to have three weeks to work on those programming matters. I'm afraid I

> > will have to leave the city, maybe next friday, to be lost for that

> > time.



The "Grp_ICIHub:" part means that it's a group _broadcast_.



> > > I'm sorry I don't mean to be harsh but damn it I call it like I see it.

> >

> > Excuse me as I fill in the correct information and express my oppinon in

> > comments.

> 

> Fill in the correct information? Or try to change it to what you believe

> it should say?



Do you accept my peace treaty offer or not?



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